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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.01.24 22:40:13 -
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The real question is why would you want to...? It's next to impossible to match the tractor, salvage and cargo capacity of Marauders (particularly the Paladin). Sure, you can come close - but you'll end up gimping your fit in the process. And it's been demonstrated that bookmarking and coming back with a Noctis actually takes longer.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.01.25 19:33:23 -
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Patrice Macmahon wrote:salvaging as you go causes a real drop in efficiency, either as a loss in mission times, or lack or overall income boost due to leaving modules on grid. Only if you're not running a Marauder.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.01.25 22:05:27 -
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Patrice Macmahon wrote:Even if you are in a Marauder.
Marauder salvaging is slow. If your salvagers and tractors can keep up with the rate you are destroying your ships, you are fail fit. The convience of the tractor in level IV's speeds mission blitzing times and that's about it.
If you are balsy enough to bring it into Null Sec Anomalies, it makes a little bit of sense so you can grab the faction / deadspace officer wreck it spawns at the end. even then you are working against the clock to GTFO and come back in something disposable for looting.
A mobile tractor unit is still faster than marauder salvaging. Unless of course, you bring a mobile depot to refit your entire ship for 7 salvagers and a refit for 7 tractors.... but why would you do that and risk staying on grid? I could be off blapping the next pocket while my MTU is stockpiling everything for a 2 minute clean up per pocket. I don't wanna wait to tractor everything in range. Salvaging, perhaps. Looting - nope. 3 tractors and an MTU and you should be able to keep up with a very decent fit. There are several missions worth looting and it's worth the few extra minutes to salvage for the 10-40m ISK.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.01.25 22:41:27 -
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Patrice Macmahon wrote:Fair point. I was going off the original posters salvage remark. MTU and 3x tractors could definitely clean sweep a site in short order. No arguments here. even then I would still be in favor of extended MTU drops during long missioning sessions and then coming back in a warp to zero hauler to scoop loot for everything at the end of the day. MTU's don't vanish after 45 minutes. ^.^
Difference in play style then. For L4 missions that are worth looting (I don't think any are worth salvaging, to be honest) I usually drop a MTU at the start and tractor in anything at longer distances out to 48km (T2 tractors are faster than any MTU) once the number of active targets drops down to a manageable level.
There aren't too many missions worth looting. "Gone Beserk", "Damsel in Distress" and "Zazzmatazz" (the latter mainly for the off-chance the rare Zor implant drops), "Dread Pirate Scarlet" (implant), "Angel Extravaganza" (implant) and "Intercept the Saboteur" and "Rogue Drones" (for the drone AI). There's also the "Enemy" series for Caldari (worth 150-175m) and a couple of the Storyline missions that drop Faction tags.
I seem to have really good luck with Team Burner missions so I mainly grind through these missions to generate more chances at those. The ones worth looting, I loot. The rest get blitzed.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.01.26 04:09:38 -
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Inir Ishtori wrote:Just an example: A mission nets you 20 million in bounties. As you kill all the things, you just drop the MTU and let your salvager drones salvage on full auto without paying too much attention to what they do. In each pocket you scoop the MTU as soon as you've done killing without fully looting the field. At the end of the mission you should get around 2-4 million in loot and salvage on average - at least this is what i usually saw. That's up to 25% additional income on top of bounties for very litte effort and without any further time investment. Provided you're not extending the mission time and the loot is closer to the 25-40% range, I would agree. Sometimes it's more profitable to forego the bounties and blitz the mission for the LP rewards. The problem with salvage drones is that by deploying them you're potentially losing drone DPS against frigates. In addition, in about a third of the missions NPCs will go after and kill them. Salvage is also pitifully low - typically in the 1-1.5m ISK range. For the extra time involved I haven't really found it's worthwhile.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.02.16 14:31:04 -
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Patrice Macmahon wrote:Which is why I was making the argument for just dropping MTU's as you mission and come back, full loot, zero down time other than warping to bookmarks. It's actually slower than looting as you go. Insofar as non-Marauder ships go, I expect anything that features lasers and drones would do well since you'll have a lot more cargo space.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.02.16 21:20:54 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Prices have crashed so much it just isn't worth coming back or even sticking around for loot/salvage, whatever the MTU and salvage drones can pull in is a bonus. in basically all cases the time spent in warp between the old MTUs would be better spent running another mission. And like someone said a marauder should kill faster than it can loot/salvage but that is okay because at most you want to cherry pick wrecks and with a marauder you can usually get the good ones. Basically this. There are only a few missions worth completely looting. Sometimes I've gotten 3-4 million ISK in components From salvaging a mission, but usually it's in the 1.5-2m ISK range. Salvaging is best with a MTU and flight of auto-salvaging drones.
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